DSP: Breath Layer or Pranamaya Kosha Meditation🔗

Now it is time to enter into pranamaya kosha.

Actually when you work on this layer of pranamaya kosha, you are already unclutched after your previous meditation on the annamaya kosha.

Your mind will try all its games now that you are unclutched and you will feel that there is nothing, all kinds of empty feelings. Some people will not feel anything because they slept. Always in the initial level I always make people do catharsis so that they don't sleep. But here, it is such a deep technique, even catharsis can disturb. If you unclutch in the sleep, it is really beautiful, nothing wrong; but you if have not mastered unclutching in waking state, that much you are not able to unclutch.

Alright, let's work on the pranic layer, the next level. How you connect yourself with all the movements. The prana is related to the movements, the desire, whatever gives you energy to move. Inspiration to move is what is directly related to prana. It is because of prana you move; it is because of prana your body is still alive. It's like fuel to sustain life. Sometimes desires give you the energy to move. Sometimes fear gives you the energy to move. All these are related to prana.

You clutch yourself with these things and create suffering. This is how you connect yourself with these things and create suffering. If you look deeply, you cannot really separate all the koshas; you can't separate these layers. There is no clear separation. For the sake of our understanding, throughout these two days, I am trying to take you deeper and deeper into your being. Trying to give you this same truth without you feeling bored.

Actually the program over these two days is a single session of understanding that you are unclutched and allowing the truth to sink in your being. But your mind is so cunning that you will start creating one more shaft called boredom. Oh it is boring; the moment you create the shaft boredom, nothing can be done, you will not allow this truth to work on you.

That's why I am offering in a different way. It is the same truth that I am offering to you. Now we will work on the desires; how we connect them and see and how even when we don't feel the same pleasure, the same joy from that object, we force ourselves either to feel or believe we experience the same joy. Continuously how we bind ourselves with the concept of joy, with the concept of bliss, with something or other,

Actually if you look into that, whenever you are having the experience it will not be joy as you think. After having that experience you may remember and connect that as a joy. That is why you always enjoy the photograph and not the reality. Why do you think constantly you are busy with photographing? After going back to your house, oh I went to South Africa, it was such a joy; but when you were in that place it was not joy. If you were truly enjoying, you will not bother about photography.

Constantly you convert what you see into memories and enjoy the memories but not the reality itself; not when it is happening. When it is happening it will be so dull, so boring, but you don't want to think or understand the truth that it is dull or boring. Somehow you just wanted to pour some juice on it and visualize that it is juicy.

Every moment you see in your life, you always make everything into a sweet memory and enjoy the memory, but not when it happens. When you are really getting married or you are really in some program you will not be enjoying that, but afterward you will be sitting with an album and enjoying it.

Exactly when it was happening you are completely in tension or stress; what is happening with this, what is happening with that. Trying to bring the memories back and enjoying them is nothing but your enjoying the connected thoughts; not the incident itself when it happened. If you look into the joys or the things that drive you, look into the things that make you run, if you penetrate all those things with this truth that you are unclutched, you will get beautiful insights about how you are playing with yourself.

See, in these two days, all I am trying to do is instill in you a truthful honest idea about yourself that will automatically change your activities, words, deeds and observations about everything. Everything will be taken care of once you have an idea about your identity and yourself. Unless you have a clear idea about your identity, no morality or no changing your life will help you. You can try your best to change your life but nothing will help; you will follow any instruction as long as you have inspiration.

I have seen people through a survey. How many people who do meditation after one of our programs? Maximum is 20% and that also is for only 10 days and not more than that. In 3 years we have given meditation to a quarter of a million people. A quarter of a million people have taken our LBP programs all over the world; quarter of a million is not a small number, especially in 3 years. The survey says hardly 20% continue to meditate.

Any instruction you will follow only as long as you are inspired. Two months ago I started thinking seriously what then can help people in the longer term. Giving something and asking them to practice and all is not helping; it is in no way helping. It may help my business; it is no way helping their business. By giving meditation my organization is growing, but they're not growing.

I wanted to find some way someway to transform people permanently. I wanted to give them the transformation as a solid experience. Then I came up with this Dhyana Spurana program. I felt intuitively that people can have a clear experience that can completely change their feelings toward their world, their life, toward their desires their fear towards the greed or whatever is inspiring them, whatever is making them run. It's like straight away cutting the root instead of cutting the leaves.

Sometimes when you cut the leaves the tree grows faster and so changing the actions is not going to help. Changing the concept about yourself, giving you the truth in the core level, maybe that can help you. Maybe that can inspire you to transform your whole life. That's the reason I am giving you the torch that you can apply to look within. In the earlier programs your participation was not required. If you just do what I say that is enough, nothing else is required.

However, here I'm only giving you the torch and your participation is important. You need to take the torch and look into yourself for this truth. You need to work on yourself. You need to direct your attention toward your being. Now take few minutes and see how your desires are connected and created as shafts. How do they drive you and how you don't find what you want in what you find?

Even if you do find what you think you are looking for, why you don't want to drop the object? Why do you try to force joy on that object? Why do you try to force yourself on that object? Sometimes you cannot accept that there is nothing outside when you feel empty, when you feel the fear of loneliness. You ask: what for I am living? What for I am running? What is going on? You feel complete depression.

People are afraid that if all the joys and hopes are taken away from them they may become depressed beings. Let me be very clear, depression will never happen when you know the truth. Depression will happen only if the objects are taken away and truth is not given to you. Then you may get depressed you may fall in tamas.

Now I am doing two things; first, I am taking away the objects; second, I am giving you the truth. You will never fall into depression in this path towards the truth; even if you fall in depression for a few days nothing wrong. It's worthy. It is a worthy thing.

Traveling towards the truth is the key. Either today or tomorrow, someday you have to do that. The earlier you do is better for you. Now you can just take a few minutes if you want to sit with closed eyes you can or if you just want to sit with open eyes, whatever way you want. Just contemplate how you connect in your life, in every inch; concentrate, contemplate and express.

Now you try to contemplate how you are connecting and creating shafts. All the prana, the energy that drives you, is in some way or another connected shafts, just nothing but connected shafts. How you create shafts to drive you and even after running if you don't find anything, how you justify the shaft. How is it that you don't suspect yourself?

Constantly you suspect everybody but you never suspect yourself. You don't suspect your decisions; you don't suspect your lifestyle. You don't suspect your decisions, which are the base for your life. But you suspect everything else. When something goes wrong, you suspect everybody and everything. But you never suspect the root cause of your own self; of your identity itself. Please start contemplating and after a few minutes I'll answer questions related to this subject.

I want you to contemplate on this single truth. This truth can liberate you completely. This single truth has power to liberate you from all your problems, whether it is physical, or mental or emotional level or spiritual level, this one truth can take away all the miseries.

Q: In the west, identity theft is a big problem, but should we go ahead and take it?

A: The very identity itself doesn't exist, how can one take it? As far as the society is concerned the identity is used to play the game. So, naturally whatever is in the society, you have to follow; you follow the social rules. Be very clear, I am not a politician and I am not giving you social rules. I am not here to define or criticize or comment about laws. I am giving you completely spiritual freedom. So my words are supposed to be understood. More than spirituality that flavor itself will express in your life.

Q; Please grant me total and complete Self-realization, I am tired of this unending pursuit of self realization.

A: If you are tired, then you are in the right place. All I'm asking you is to be unclutched. You don't have to even do something to get unclutched. You are already unclutched. Constantly you are thinking you are connected, just relax from that and understand it is a lie. Nothing else is necessary.

I don't even have to grant you complete realization. If I can grant, then any day I can take it away. Be very clear, if anything is granted by somebody there is always a danger he may take it away. So, Self-realization can neither be granted by somebody nor it can be given by somebody.

You can share the path through which he experienced. There is every chance you can catch the fire. There is every chance the transference of the lamp can happen. If you are really tired, just relax, you are in the right place.

There is a one liner.

Outside the church there is a saying, if you are tired of sin, then come in.

Below that someone had written with lipstick; if not, call this number and ask for Gloria.

Tired of your pursuit, come in and be unclutched. You are in the right place.

Q: Do we become more moral through unclutching?

A: Morality means that where you are completely alive and vibrating, by your very nature you are not interested in disturbing others. You are not interested in touching anybody. When you understand your identity is a pure lie, you will never think of stealing the identity of others. According to me, when you don't have that constant irritation in you, you will be moral. You will have the ultimate morality.

The one and only way to achieve morality is to achieve something to drop the constant irritation you are carrying. The constant irritating mood that you can see in your life, from morning until night you are constantly burning inside. You are carrying something like a fire inside. You are just waiting for some reason to jump on people. The anger is overflowing. You are just waiting. If it can be dropped, be very clear, you will have the ultimate morality.

Morality to you means being completely in tune with the identity that you are carrying within you. I'm not bothered about the identity that you are showing to the outer world; every body knows that is a pure lie. That all of you know. I don't have to teach that. But the second thing is important. The identity, which you are carrying inside is also a pure lie.

That is what I wanted to emphasize throughout this two-day workshop. I want you to understand that the idea or identity, which you are carrying within you is also a pure lie, a pure myth. You can neither develop nor work on that. Just relax from it. Suddenly you will see something else is happening in your inner space. All I am trying to do is to help you to not waste your energy in the wrong direction.

Q: I am starting a new job. I am very inspired to make it successful, fully realizing that when it is successful the excitement will be gone. Does that mean I should not work towards achieving this?

A: If you are fully realizing that when it is successful the excitement will be gone, then the excitement will be never lost. It'll never be lost. When you know the excitement will be gone, the excitement that you are having now is out of understanding. It is not out of ignorance.

Excitement out of understanding will never be lost. Let you be very clear, you have written, I know when I am successful excitement will be gone, means you have a clear understanding. Then be very clear, it will never go away.

It is the excitement that comes out of your being after being unclutched. It will never be lost. Excitement out of ignorance only will be lost. Excitement out of understanding will never be lost. Carry on.

Q: Even though I know money cannot assure happiness, I still save for retirement, why is that?

A: I’m not asking you not to save, but let you be very clear, just be disconnected from that idea or the connection that you are making with the money and happiness,.

I am not saying, drop your money, or forget about your money. I am not saying that. I am not even saying do some charity, you will go to heaven. I don’t believe in that. One more thing, even if you give money for my foundation I cannot give you any special ticket there. Nothing can be done. I can’t sell any heaven ticket. A special visa, nothing. NO VIP pass.

Do some charity if you feel like doing that’s all, not because you may have something afterwards. People ask me, in that case, why are you building temples and ashrams Swamiji?

Let me tell you my temples and ashrams are the place to experiment and experience what I am teaching. Your money can’t bring you anything except the comforts. Let your identity be not affected by the money. Let money not enter your space and let money not guide you in your happiness or your inner space. Many people feel elated just by seeing more and more zeros in the bank balance. Any moment that excitement or joy can be taken away, and it is just dependant on those few zeros. And one more thing, it’s purely mind.

You are much, much, much more than you think as your bank balance. Let you be far more than your bank balance. Your identity about you is created only based on your bank balance. Let you not create your identity based on your bank balance. That’s the only thing I am saying. With money you can choose between the sufferings that’s all. Don’t think you can choose between happiness and suffering; you can only choose between many sufferings.

You have the choice of your own suffering, otherwise nothing else. One more thing, when you integrate the understanding that you are unclutched, so much of energy and understanding will happen to you that you won’t keep quiet; you will make enough money. You will generate wealth and all these small questions or doubts you have about your life will all disappear. Again and again I tell that one small story.

A blind man goes to the doctor and asks him, ‘can you help me?’ The man walks with a stick goes to the doctor and asks, ‘can you help me?’ The doctor says, ‘I’ll do a surgery you will have your eyes back; then you can see and walk without stick’.

Blind man says, ‘I can understand that I will be able to see, but how I can I walk without a stick?’

He was so used to the stick that life without it did not seem possible to him!

Let you be very clear, the suffering or joy or attachment doesn’t exist. When you are very clear it doesn’t exist, any time the object is taken away you won’t bother. Even if you bother, it’s ok; what is there? Even the bothering doesn’t exist. The idea of bothering is nothing but one more connection.

The bothering that came to you 9 years ago, the bothering that came to you 8 years ago and the bothering that came to you yesterday they are not connected. Why are you again connecting and seeing all of them and thinking that you are continuously bothered about money or that you are continuously bothered about improving yourself or that you are continuously bothered about your happiness.

See all these things are just more and more and more words. Even your problems are very superficial; you are just struggling with words. The whole thing is nothing but words. Your whole inner space is filled with words and you are struggling for air. You are struggling even to breath, because your whole inner space is filled with words. You are constantly binding; every inch of your being is tied with a chain. Wherever there is a small gap you purchase one more chain and tie it. You don’t feel comfortable even with a small gap. And you say no, no. no, let me have one more chain and you tie it.

Only when you are completely tight and you can’t move this side or that side or you can’t breathe then you feel comfortable. You feel, ‘yes, now I have enough problems. Let me go to some enlightened master’.

Then you come to me to increase my business. What can I do? I always encourage people to get married so that I will have my business. See unless you have constant problems you won’t come to me, I lose my business.

In India knowledge is free; we are more liberated. Even today anyone who wants to study Vedanta or the Indian philosophy his food, stay and education is all free. They are offered free in thousands of monasteries. You can leave when you want. In 5 cities in the Himalayas 100,000 ashrams are there, where spiritual knowledge is free of cost. All spiritual knowledge is given free of cost.

This mission is going on independent of politicians and business people. Politicians are no way able to influence; they can’t influence this area of spirituality. It is independent and uninterested in convincing anyone, unlike scientific knowledge.

Be very clear, science has a vested interest in convincing people. Otherwise how research will happen, how will people who are funding them recover the money? Who will fund the research and who will then fund the development? Let you be very clear, science is much more superstitious than spirituality.

Q: I feel good when I hear you talk and could relate to my lifestyle, but once I leave you and go home my wife will ask me what did Swamiji speak about? I can’t remember anything. Does this mean I am not ready for your teachings?

Be very clear you are ready for my teachings. If you are not able to remember the words, be very clear you digested the essence. People who are trying to remember the words, people who are taking notes, be very clear they are only preparing to repeat, not to digest. You are in the right space, nothing wrong, just digest and enrich yourself that's enough. There is no need to remember and give discourse to your wife.

Q: This morning you spoke on Patanjali and about using pain to go to the next level. Can you please explain?

This morning I said, just witness pain without labeling it as a pain, just look into that space as to what is happening. When the pain disappears try to continuously penetrate that same zone. Let you be aware of that zone, then suddenly you will see you are experiencing the boundarylessness energy.

See, you have your identity about yourself. If that identity is smaller than the physical body you start feeling that pain. If the identity is equal to the physical body you will have a comfortable relaxed feeling. If that identity explodes and expands, bigger than the physical body, you will feel ecstasy.

When you close your eyes and remember your name, you will have an image about yourself. You will have your form. That's what I call your identity. If the identity is smaller than the physical body you will have pains and suffocation. You will feel suffocated. If that identity is equal in size of your physical body, you will be comfortable. If that identity expands then you will have bliss.

Now place your awareness where you have pain and remember you are unclutched. Suddenly you will see the identity expands. Expansion of identity is what I mean by boundarylessness experience. You will enter into the different space of being unclutched. When you go into it you will understand the truth of what I am saying.

Q: I want to be unclutched but my wife wants to be clutched, how can you help me?

A: See, one thing, in brackets you say that you want to enjoy the good things in the life. Do you think being unclutched means you won't enjoy the good things in the life. No, that is where you are missing the whole point. Do not try to create the shaft that unclutching means something. Again you are creating one more shaft.

Somehow the teaching has entered into you that this teaching is anti life. Without even practicing you are clear it is anti life. It is not. When you start living in that unclutched way you will understand every moment only your life is enriched. You are not giving up anything.

I tell you, be unclutched and you will see you are fulfilling not only your wife's imaginations but you are also over flowing much over that. One more thing, only when you are unclutched, you will have so much space you will be able to accommodate all of her fantasies. You will be able to accommodate her being, you will have tremendous compassion for her and you will not feel suffocated by her.

The only way to escape from wife is be unclutched, because you will have so much of space in you. You will not feel suffocated by people. You will not feel suffocated by the expectations of somebody. You will have such a big space, not only will you be able to fulfill you will have tremendous compassion, you will know where and why they are suffering.

See, when you know somebody is suffering at some point, you will not have violence. Only when you don't understand where he or she is suffering you will have violence. Intelligence and compassion are one and the same. When you have intelligence about where that person is suffering you won't have violence. You will be able to accommodate that person in your inner space. You will have a different quality in your life.

Only when you relax, only when you unclutch yourself will you understand that when you are unclutched you will not get irritated. You will not be moved. The other person may get irritated. You will not get irritated; your very energy will be totally different.

Q: If the shaft is created by our mind and identity what is the purpose of mind or identity?

Only you will know the purpose, how will I know? What you think you want to achieve in this world that is the purpose. If you want to become a doctor, it is a doctor; if you want to become a lawyer, then lawyer. That is the purpose of your identity. But the problem is this; it is you who is creating.

Q: I'm confused when you say not to create shaft of joy and when you also bless us to live a life of nithyananda or bliss eternally.

A: Be very clear, when you don't create the shaft of joy only you will have Ananda. Joy is a part time ananda; if you create a shaft out of ananda, you will create joy. If you relax from the shaft of ananda you will be in bliss. Please understand that joy and ananda are not one and the same. They are opposite of each other. If you try to create a shaft out of ananda, you will try to possess that and make it as joy. If you relax from the shaft of joy and don't bother about it, don't want to prolong, suddenly you will be in the space of bliss. Understand the difference between joy and ananda.

Q: How do I not confuse the state of doing nothing with the lack of responsibility or defeat?

A: See, the idea of the defeatist attitude is what your mind is now picking up; just to defend yourself. Even if it is lack of responsibility or defeatist, let you be unclutched for a few days. You will understand, if you are unclutched you will not have the tamas or lazy or passive attitude in you. Mentally you will be silent, but physically you will be active and alive.

When you are in the space of lack of responsibility or defeatist mentally you will be very active, physically you will be tired. When you are unclutched, physically you will be active and alive and mentally you will be silent; this is the satva attitude. There is a big difference between tamas and satva, in both ways you are silent but totally different. Whenever you remember you are unclutched, that will give you such an inner healing; such a big relief that you don't have to do anything. Actually there is nothing to be done. And there is nothing that can be done. You can try, try, try but nothing can be done. When you accept and come to that understanding, suddenly you feel the inner healing happening in you and that you are becoming a different being a different person. Only then you will understand how to be alive and active, without entering into the defeatist attitude. These are all a few words that your mind creates to protect you from this truth. Even if it's defeatist it's ok, let you be unclutched. Then you will understand the truth of these words.

Let us not connect these words with some of my past teachings and put them both in the same pile and put them in one corner of your mind, so that you can outlive me.

Q: When a person feels that he is not his body he can thank his body for letting him use it. What is this when you thank your body for transporting you?

A: Really, you will feel grateful to the body and you will feel comfortable with the body. This is the first intelligent question in this whole series. I think you really have understood, you have done the first session. If you have done the first session you will have come to this experience. You will feel completely comfortable and grateful to the body. If you have not felt the gratitude towards the body, you have not done the first session, be very clear, still you carry the irritation in you.

When you feel so blissful inside the body you will feel so happy, so homely. With this whole system, you won't feel lonely at all in your life. You will constantly be feeling homely. You won't feel lonely. Feeling of loneliness is the feeling of need for the other person. You will feel the need for the other person only when you are uncomfortable with your body. If you are completely comfortable with your body, you will never feel the need for the other person.

Even if you have to share yourself with the other person you will be overflowing, you will not be demanding, you will not be begging. If you are feeling the need for the other person, be very clear you are not comfortable with your body. You are not at ease with your body.

Q: If we could attain enlightenment through Jesus or Krishna, why do we need a living master? A: If you can achieve enlightenment through Krishna or Jesus, you don't need living master. The big problem is that even with a living master you are not able to achieve.

What are you going to do with the masters who don’t have the body? People come and ask me, Swamiji, can you come and teach me how to connect with ascending masters or how to talk to the great masters and get their teachings. I tell them directly I am speaking in the language that you understand, that it self is not helping you. How are you going to be helped with somebody who is not going to speak in the same language that you are able to understand? So be very clear, if you can achieve enlightenment with Krishna or Jesus, you don’t need a living master, but usually this never happens.

Q: If meditation is not the channel for spiritual enlightenment, then why should we meditate? What exactly are we supposed to do?

Meditation is a channel for enlightenment. I don’t say meditation is not the channel; but when I say the word meditation, it is meant to be unclutched and not getting caught with one more shaft. If the meditation creates one more shaft, be very clear you will not be getting enlightenment.

Q: If we are not the body, how do we feel the pain of the body, and the fear of losing the body? And if karma theory is not right, how do we transmigrate?

A: Two things, I don’t say you are not the body. You are not the body should become an experience in you. Not the theory given to you.

Second thing, whether Karma theory is not right, again, I don’t say Karma theory is not right; it is not complete. It can’t answer all the logical questions. It can’t stand the sharp logic. It is ok to do business with but not to understand for yourself.

Karma theory is a beautiful way to give healing. See, at some point human beings need healing, some consolation, some healing, some effect. For the society karma theory is really beautiful. It can give a healing effect it can give a big comfort feeling, but not for the seekers.

It is not for the seekers. In the beautiful words of the Upanishads, the seeker’s path like walking on the razor’s edge.

Katha Upanishad says,

Awake! Seek an enlightened master to realize the Self. Sages say the path is like a razor’s edge, hard to journey.

It is not for the people who are seekers of truth, at least not for the people who have come up to the level of Dhyana Spurana level. For the society it is a good idea. I have accepted the karma theory and talked about it in the media. For public it is good, it gives you inner healing effect and you don’t have to suffer too much, torture yourself too much, and a lot of psychiatric problems will be avoided. You will be more balanced and less depressed.

For all those things, karma theory is ok; but ultimately when you start seeing the truth it doesn't hold good. When you penetrate it with the sharpest logic it doesn't hold good. So the only way to transmigrate is just unclutch. And all the concepts of pain, or pleasure, flood everything with truth.

Let everything be flooded away, let you be completely flooded by the truth. The concept of joy and bliss exist only then the karma theory holds good; because the karma theory is about bringing more joy and less pain. But I am saying even that idea is a lie. You are constantly connecting and creating, so when even that idea is a lie you will not be driven towards joy or you will not be driven away from pain. Those concepts will start losing meaning for you. You will start living in a different space.

When I speak to the public the truth has to be told in a different way. But when I speak to the seekers I want to say the ultimate truth and I have to explain in a clear way. It's just the levels of understanding. I am not against the first level, but when I have to say the ultimate truth I have to completely pull down the whole structure. Only then you will be awakened to hear the truth. Then the truth can be given to you.

Q: Can laziness be root cause of bringing 6 doshas in life? kama krodha etc

A: See laziness is one more shaft , the lazy feeling that you felt 9 years ago, the lazy feeling you felt 8 years ago......They are complete independent happenings. Why do you want to connect them and decide you are lazy or you are not lazy? Both ideas are lies. Then you will have one more idea, I have kama, I have krodha, or I don't have kama or I don't have krodha, all these things again and again creating more and more shafts; more and more connections.

These two days I'll see that you experience that shaft less zone. So I am not going to let your attention move to anything else. Again and again and again, let you be very clear, by your very nature, you are unconnected, illogical independent unclutched thoughts.

Q: Swamiji, is enlightenment a neuro biological phenomena, if yes there any rearrangement of physical structure of the body?

A: Nice question. It's a very personal question. If you can relate then understand, otherwise forget about it. It is a neuro biological phenomenon. Biologically also a big transformation happens; so many things happened in me. But I don't think it is compulsory in every enlightened being. Sometime it happens, sometimes it doesn't happen; so it is not compulsory but in me a lot has happened.

The whole body has become very sensitive. Even now if you touch the feet it is like the bone is covered with butter. Bone is covered with butter. When you come for energy darshan you will touch and feel. But now everyone will start pressing.

One year ago even if you put your thumb you can see the impression. It used to be so soft, now it has become little hard because I walk without footwear just to make it a little hard; around the ashram I started walking without footwear. Now it has become a little hard but not like normal human beings.

A lot happened in the body. For 9 months after enlightenment I was not able to speak from January to November I was completely dumb. Sometimes now also; that is different. I was not able to speak, the words won't come fluently and if I moved the right hand left hand would not move. The movements were not coordinated; the coordination would not happen.

If I tried to express a few words then I won't be able to move any part of my body. I have to rest all the other movements and try to use a few words. If I start moving the body, then I have to completely stop all other movements. Only one movement will happen.

Like this many things have happened in me but I don't know exactly what all has happened. I'm thinking of doing a little research on what all has happened. This doctor was experimenting on me and he was saying just like those lamas, 6 times more energy was getting produced. The metabolism rate was very high. But I don't know completely. As far as my understanding goes it is neurobiological phenomena also.

Q: Is my being, the very nature of it, just random thoughts, the gap between thoughts, or inner space?

A: By your very nature, constantly you renounce. You don't even have to renounce, you don't even have to struggle or to get enlightened. Your inner space can not be corrupted. Even if you try your best you can't hold on to one thought. Try your best to hold on even to lust, you can't.

Let me challenge, you see you may have a big problem with anger or lust or fear or greed. Try to hold on to the fear. Just as you are having a thought of having a cup of coffee, try to hold on to your death fear. Your death fear can be replaced just by the thought of a cup of coffee. The moment you start thinking about having a cup of coffee the death fear has disappeared. Unless that moves and gives place, the cup of coffee thought can not happen.

That means what? That death fear and desire to have a cup of coffee are equal. This can replace that, means its value has that much only. But mentally you create a chain; no, no, no, again and again I am having death fear. Again and again you have the thought of having coffee also. But you don't give importance to it. You don't put those thoughts and create a shaft.

9 years ago your thought was about having a cup of coffee, 8 years ago your thought was to have a cup of coffee and one hour ago your thought was to have a cup of coffee. You don't connect those thoughts and think that ‘oh, having a cup of coffee is a big problem in me’. You are not doing that, but the flowers of fears that happened many times you pluck those flowers and create a garden and start creating suffering and create a shaft. All your problems are chosen thoughts. All your problems are chosen thoughts believing that they are connected. You can see what you have written, random thoughts. So much is there in front of you; some 1 million thoughts are there. You just picked up 10 thoughts and you say these represent 1 million thoughts.

How can it be? In your inner space no thought holds value. No thought holds any value. Try to renounce fear; whoever wants to get rid of fear, understand your fear has no value; except your fear about that fear. Your fear has no value except that fear about that fear. The thought to have a cup of coffee can replace your fear; what does this say about your fear? Tell me. It is not even worthy of a cup of coffee. Cup of coffee can replace the thought of fear of death.

You think no, no, no, I can’t replace it; I am trying so much. I better get rid of my phobia Swamiji, I am trying my best to get rid of some of my problems. A glass of water can replace it. Done. Understand by your very nature your inner space renounces and your inner space rejuvenates; your inner space doesn’t hold thoughts. By your very nature your inner space is pure. Only when you start believing these are your problems, you connect all those problems that happened many times.

You see that also happens in a very random way, something rises and something falls; something rises and something falls. When it rises you pick up, you go, ‘come, come, come, come’, and you connect all those thoughts and create an idea you have fear. All your phobias can be addresses with this single truth. People come to me with some allergy or some fear.

If they have an allergy to green chilly I ask them first to bring that same green chilly , I’ll just tell them, now eat in front of me. Please be very clear at least 1000 allergies I have healed in last 3 years. I am honest. Nothing needs to be done. Give them the courage to be unclutched. Look into that moment. In a single session at least I have healed 1000 allergies. Just recently in Hyderabad, one guy had 25 years of allergy to lentils (dal in Hindi). Even if he ate a spoonful of cooked lentils his whole body will start swelling. I said now bring the dal and eat in front of me. I told him to eat the dal. I sat next to him and just told him I’ll take care. I’ll heal; you don’t bother. He ate and no swelling. The allergy simply disappeared; 25 years of allergy. All your allergies and all your phobias are nothing but pure connection. It is nothing. All your energies are simply connecting; pure connection.

Q: Please discuss long term memory and short term memory.

A: Rubbish and nonsense; that is the difference between what I call short term and long term memory.

When I read this I remembered a small story.

There was an advertisement in the newspaper, ‘We want a manager who knows how to read and write French’.

One guy applied, I can write but I can’t read. The manager was surprised but he asked that guy to come for interview. When he came he said please write. He started writing. Manager then asked, ‘Now please read, I am not able to read what you have written’.

The guy says, ‘I told you already that I can only write I can’t read’.

One guy was searching all over his house, where is my prescription, where is my prescription?

Wife asked, ‘What prescription?’

‘That yellow slip, that yellow slip’.

Today morning I went and did my shopping with that slip and now your daughter is playing piano with that slip.

That same prescription, from the doctor is used for music notes as piano, as shopping list and medical prescription.

Anyhow, let me answer this question. You see you don’t have to remember all the statements that I am uttering. You have to remember the truth behind the statement. This moment understand the truth you are unclutched. You will solve all your problems this moment with that truth. You see when you solve all your problems this moment, when you feel that freedom and inner healing has got so much of power, again and again you will be made to remember the truth.

Unless the truth gives you the result of freedom this moment it is not worth remembering. If it helps you in this moment you will not be able to forget it. You will not be able to forget it. If it is not helping you this moment, please do not carry it in your head. It is unnecessary luggage, garbage.

So that is the reason I tell you, let you have the effect this moment. Let you understand either you are able to accept that you are unclutched or struggle that you are not able to accept. Both are fine. Let you start working this moment. If you carry this in your notebook your mind will say, no, no, let me read when I go back and I can try to practice. You will never do. I have always seen people taking notes. They will put it in their cupboard. After 5 years after when they move their house or spring clean their house, they will find it and put it in the dustbin; finally everything will go into dustbin only. Let you carry this inside your being as an understanding.

Q: You see kids 8 or 9 years old developing cancer, you never see kids this age developing shafts.

A: No. Never think that. That's why I was telling you, I can't even say when you are developing a shaft when you start thinking. Sometimes you bring shafts with you. Your body itself is made out of memories. That means you create shafts through memories and bring shafts. So, be very clear, you can't say when someone starts creating the shafts.

Alright, let you at least share your understandings and see how deep it has gone. At some point your thoughts will rise and make your body follow it. You will not even have the problem. You will not even have to think whether you have to follow or stop. Simply you will be following. But the moment you unclutch, your body will simply be lifted. You may be moved by some thoughts. Let it happen. You will not have irritation if you follow your thoughts if you are unclutched.

Usually as of now, whether you follow your thoughts or don't follow your thoughts you will have irritation. If you follow you will have some irritation, if you don't you will have again irritation. If you are unclutched, that irritation will disappear. Whatever doesn't need to be followed, you won't follow. Like your job and basic life things, whatever you feel as important, simply you will follow you will not even feel irritated. You will not be feeling the suffocated feeling if you completely see it's raising and falling and dropping and things happening.

Q: Is there any value in namasmarana (repetition of names) of God?

A: Oh God. I think morning itself I answered this question. I do not want to disrespect all these traditions. See, they all help you to come up to a certain level. But if you ask from the level of which I am talking about, that of unclutching, it is not going to help you. Namasmarana is not going to help you. Let you be very clear, remember that you are unclutched, that will help you.

See, namasmarana, simply repeating the name, what are you trying to do? You are trying to create the same shaft, which you can't. Try your best to create the shaft. Try your best, let us see if anybody says, 'I am successful in doing namasmarana 24 hours a day'. You cannot. By your very nature you will be renouncing.

See whether it is thought of Rama or thought of kama, you will be constantly renouncing. But you think no, no, I have to hold on to Rama, neither holding on will be possible nor renouncing will be possible. Both will be rising and falling.

It is you who give the label, the value. Oh, Rama's thoughts are really good, I have to hold on. You try to create that shaft and elongate that shaft. But you can neither elongate nor break. When you understand nothing can be done about the shaft you are liberated from the shaft. You can have only one freedom, that of liberating yourself from the shaft.

Either you can completely throw away all the garbage or have all of them in your head and play that game. You can’t have the arranged garbage. No. You can try your best. You can try your best. I tried my best. Everyday I used to do 20 000 japa. I had a long mantra. 20 000 times I used to repeat the mantra in one sitting. In one sitting I’ll do 20 000, which means, in one hand 2 mala, on another one mala. By the time I did 108 on one hand, I would move one bead on the other. By the time I finished this108 of one and 108 of the other it was more than 10 000. Then I would do with the second mala another 10000.

So much of namajapa I did. Finally I understood it is not going to lead me anywhere. So let you be very clear, it’s not going to help.

Q: What are your thoughts about reincarnation?

You are something more or something less. So how can you be the same person? So every day you are reincarnating. Then what is there separately about reincarnation?

Q: My 10 year old son loves watching TV hours and hours in a day, I scream at him to turn the TV off. Am I creating a shaft by saying so?

A; One thing, if you try to help him not to watch the TV, really you are helping him. By watching the TV he will be creating much bigger shafts. So according to me, helping him not to watch TV will really help him a lot.

Q: What role does sexuality play in enlightenment?

A: See be very clear, the sex energy has got one important quality, it can be transformed. No other energy has got that quality. Only that energy has got that quality. It can be transformed.

Q: When you give suggestion to bring awareness to breathing during meditation, my awareness goes to breathing but also at the same time it goes to all the extremities of the body feeling blood flowing through them. What is happening?

A: Yes. You are entering into a different zone. You are really going into that unclutched state. When you go into that unclutched state you will be aware of whatever is happening in your mind and body. See your body is the nearest thing to your being. So you will be completely aware of your body and mind and being. So you are really growing, you are really working on your inner space. Things are happening.

Q: When a child is born with a disease or brain trauma, did he bring the shaft of pain from previous life?

A: He really brings the shaft. If you can teach him to disconnect or be unclutched, the unclutching can be even taught at the age of 7 or 8.At that age itself they will be able to understand how to do it. It is such a simple thing, any small child can understand. Just make him write and show him this is the way your mind is going on, don't give importance to anything. You will help him to retain his enlightenment. Actually tomorrow we are launching a program called Little Anandas for children to help them retain their enlightenment. Tomorrow onwards we are launching this program in 10 cities at a time.

Every weekend we shall hold a 2 hour session. For half an hour we give them the basics of spirituality, for half an hour some meditation and for an hour they will jump around and express their energy in all creative ways in singing or painting; different, different things, to keep them alive. This is to retain their shaft less space and even if they have started creating shafts, to break free from it. To give them this understanding, we are starting this program tomorrow onwards.

Q: How do samskaras affect the shafts? Are they unconscious shafts?

A: Even the idea that you are unconscious is given to you to exploit you. Now I have to expose one more thing. The idea of sin is inserted into your inner space by the so called religious people to exploit you. The concept of the unconscious is inserted into you by the so called therapists and psychologists to exploit you. There is no such thing as the unconscious that exists, let you be very clear.

You may be thinking what is this Swami talking? Whether you understand or not, this moment you can unclutch yourself. All your weaknesses, all your shafts that you created that you are not able to relax from, only those you call as unconsciousness. There is no such thing as unconsciousness. You can unclutch yourself this moment. This moment you can unclutch yourself. You don't have to keep thinking, consciously I can unclutch Swamiji, but unconsciously how am I to unclutch Swamiji?

All these things are just one more question. Your failure that you experienced 8 years ago, your failure that you experienced 7 years ago and your failure that you experienced yesterday are not connected. When you connect them and label, ‘Oh, I have unconscious problems, that is why again and again I am failing’, Then you create the trouble. They are not connected. This moment understand they are not connected and liberate yourself. Liberate yourself from these shafts.

Q: Is being unclutched the same as living in the present?

A: Again, do not create one more shaft, connecting my words of teaching with zen teachings. And you will dump me in the same dustbin as you have dumped those teachings. Do not dump me in the dust bin

Q: If one is unclutched will one’s thoughts lead to action?

A: This is a nice question. Whatever needs to become action will be acted upon. Thoughts will raise in you automatically, you will do what has to be done and they will disappear. They will not leave any hangover in you. Just like how the birds don’t leave footprints in the sky. Those actions won’t leave actions in your inner space. Whatever needs to be executed, it will simply rise, it will happen and disappear.

See, when I say all these things you think I am singing some poems. I am not singing some poems. I am not singing some fantasies. I am telling you honestly this is what is happening in me. Constantly thoughts are happening; whatever needs to be executed is happening and then relaxing. It can happen to you also.

If you are unclutched will your thought lead to action? All your thoughts, whatever needs to become action, only will happen in you as thoughts. Your mind knows that with any thought thrown at you, you will run behind that thought; so it is creating too many thoughts. If it knows that, ‘no, I am not going to be moved by any thought’, then it will throw only the thoughts that need to become action. You brought a set of thoughts to work it out in this life. You will just work them out, that’s all. Nothing else.

Q: Why different levels of intelligence exist in different human beings? Do you believe this is genetic or environmental?

A: Be very clear, there are no different levels of intelligence, only the different levels of intellect.

In intelligence there is no different level. In intellect there is the level difference. It can be that this is more environmental as human beings are concerned and not genetic. As far as animals are concerned it is genetic. The moment mind starts working it is environment. As long as the individual consciousness, as long as the individual awareness is not awakened, it is genetics. The moment individual awareness starts working it is environmental.

Q: What happens to a shaft when people get dementia in old age? A: I don't know this word. I don't know what happens to people when they get dementia in old age. Maybe if I see a patient I'll try to scan him consciously. I'll need to see a specimen. It is a new thought. First time you are putting this question. I'll try to sit with a person who is having this problem and try to scan him consciously and see what is happening in him. Then come and tell you.

Q: This morning when we were writing our thoughts some created positive emotions and some were negative, but I noticed that your commenting through out our writing and every time you spoke, it created a stillness regardless of the emotion the thoughts created.

A: See whenever I speak you are still, I keep on speaking just to make you still. That's what you experienced. When masters speak naturally you become still.

Q: You are talking a lot about marriage and joking about husbands and wives. Would you ever get married and have a family? After all you said at the age of 14 , 21, 28 lamas are allowed to marry, what about swamis?

A: Swami's can marry at any time, no problem. Actually Paramahamsas can marry at any time; I'm not technically a Swami. I am technically a Paramahamsa. Swami means somebody who is trained by an earlier master to sit in the same seat; like a successor and they have so many rules and all that. Paramahamsas are people who left their house at a young age and took this life to achieve enlightenment. They have not left for the sake of some status, to sit in some throne, or to be the head of some institution. They left out of their quest for enlightenment.

So Paramahamsas are no way bound by the rules and regulations of the Swamis; but then, let you be very clear, I am not going to marry. And that I am very clear and because I have seen many people and I have some more jokes. I don't want to tell, they're all caught up in a traffic jam in my throat.

Q: If shaft is the cause of diseases then how can enlightened masters who don't have the shafts get diseases?

A: Let you be very clear, the body is separate. It can be that when they wanted to break the body, they have to break in some way; so from outside when they see it looks like a disease.

Nisgardatta Maharaj said, only for you it is cancer, not for me. And when Ramana Maharishi was questioned he says there is pain, but no suffering. Their dropping their body, is totally different form the diseases that you suffer.

See, they may go through a disease and drop the body. They accept that disease, otherwise how will they disconnect from that body or how will they leave when they disconnect from that body? When they don't live in their body anymore and they decide to pack up their bags and leave, automatically the body falls into some disease. Your body falling into some disease and their body falling into some disease are totally different; do not compare.

Q: Whenever a thought rises, even before we remember to unclutch, we get too involved in the thought shaft. How to be unlatched whenever a thought rises before getting too involved in that thought.

A: Your idea that you are getting too much involved also is one more shaft. When you are involved 8 years ago, 9 years ago and 10 years ago, when you are involved yesterday, all these incidents are independent. Why are you creating an idea that you are getting too much involved into your thoughts? Even that is one more shaft. When that comes, say alright, now I am relieved. Now I am unclutching.

Even if you think you are involved you can't be involved because the thought will be replaced by some other thought. Constantly you are getting replaced. Let you be very clear, your thought to possess your house, your desire to possess your car is equal to your desire to have a cup of tea; because the desire to have a cup of tea can replace the desire to possess the car.

If you work for 5 years and achieve a new house, when you enter the house you will have that beautiful feeling, oh I have a new house. In two minutes there will be another thought to have a cup of coffee. The desire for the thought of house is replaced. Every thought is constantly replaced.

Q: Enlightened masters can leave the body at their will so why would they need a disease to leave the body?

A; Sometimes they can leave their body at will. One more thing, when they leave the body at their will also, some time they will dump the body and it falls into some disease. Sometimes straight away they leave and go. It is the way of dropping. You just drop the cup or sometimes they just leave the cup on the table. Sometimes they feel bored and they don't even feel like putting the cup on the table. They just leave their hands and the cup drops and breaks as in the case of Ramakrishna and Ramana Maharishi.

Some people keep their cup on the table like Paramahamsa Yogananda. His body was so beautifully pure; nothing damaged, no disturbance; he straight away left and went away. He just put the cup on the table. He took that much of time and energy. He just took that much and said ahhh I drop it, I dump it.

How to do it is each one's will. It is up to them, their will. Some masters leave their body at will, some just drop. It is their will. But it is no way related to their enlightenment.

Q: In the gap of meditation yesterday I could see my awareness very clearly as a singularity and I was able to hold it and it dissolved quietly. If this awareness is my true nature then who was observing it?

A: When you are in that awareness itself nobody is observing. Only after coming out there is observer and awareness. If the observer also is not there, only then are you in awareness. If you have the observer and awareness then you are not in awareness. You are playing the game in the mind, I am aware, I am aware. You are repeating the thought, I am aware. You are not aware. Repeating the thought I am aware is not awareness. So if you are not having even that thought only then you are aware.

Q: We are unclutched to begin with. Can we help by using tatvam asi or remembrance, or is that also not needed?

A: Again you are connecting me with Sankara. Again you are connecting me with Vyasa. Do not even remember new words like tatvamasi and all those things. Just remember that, you are unclutched, and be with that.

Q: Because the shaft of fear one will run away from the tiger, if not one will be eaten.

A: See, when tiger comes automatically let that fear rise and save the body. Why are you creating that fear now itself? You are not in front of any tiger. When the tiger comes and I say don't be afraid, are you going to keep quiet? Keep quiet as long as you can. When you can't let the intelligence take over.

See, you are trying to bring all the hypothetical stuff; you are trying to talk philosophy.

Let me tell you a story.

One guy even after 25 years he was not going out with anybody.

Rabbi called him, what is happening? You are not going out with anybody, why don't you try?

He said no, no, no, I don't know what to talk. I feel really afraid. I don't have confidence to talk.

Then Rabbi says, I'll teach you what to talk. Either you talk what she likes or you talk something about her family or some philosophy.

This guy memorizes, yes I have to talk about her family, I have to talk about her likes, or talk about the philosophy. Family, likes, philosophy, family, likes, philosophy.

After a few days some way or other he has a date. He goes out and when he is eating, he remembers now I have to say something. First he asks, do you have a brother?

She replies, no.

Then second thing he remembers; likes, likes, likes, yes, do you like baseball?

She says no.

Now he slowly remembers, now I have to talk philosophy.

Then he started, if you had a brother, will he like baseball?

So all philosophers, if... If the fear comes, let the intelligence take over. See, there is an automatic intelligent system in your body, to protect your body and maintain your body to run your whole system. That's what we call prarabda karma. It is an automatic set up program; it is an automatic intelligence to run everything. You don't have to interfere. The whole problem is you interfere and mess the whole thing.

Now, when that type of situation comes, automatically it will take over. One more thing, when the tiger comes, you won't even remember from where that power came. Is it under your logical control? Tell me? Is it under your logical control? Can you have that power now? No. You can't .

It means what? Your automatic intelligence is taking over. You have a system within yourself to handle those kinds of situations. So don't bother about that now itself. When it comes you will know how to handle. Now be relaxed.

Q: Is there a relationship between unclutched and purposelessness?

A: One is the path and the other one is the goal. If you achieve purposelessness, if you understand purposelessness you will be unclutched. If you are unclutched, you will understand the purposelessness. Both are one and the same, two different words; just two different words.

Now let's take few minutes and be unclutched. Just sit. Don't even bother about anything. You may feel bored, what am I doing sitting? I am feeling terribly bored, I think this Swami is not teaching anything. Unclutch from that also.

Because the boredom that happened to you one year ago, the boredom that happened to you two years ago and the boredom that happened to you three years ago are not connected. They are independent incidents. The boredom that happened to you yesterday, the boredom that is happening to you now are not connected. Let you become completely unclutched. And relax. Just sit.

If you want you can close your eyes or you can have your eyes open, no problem. Because even closing eyes is one more connection. You always think you can meditate or you can be unclutched when you close your eyes. If you want you can close your eyes or if you want your eyes can be open. That's up to you. But just be unclutched.

Just see what happens when you are unclutched. Whatever happens let it happen. If thoughts are flowing, then it's ok. You don't even connect them and see that he thoughts are flowing. If it doesn't flow it is ok. You don't even have to connect the empty space and see that you are not having thoughts. Having a thought you are having a thought, or having a thought you are not having a thought, both are shafts.

Now please close your eyes and sit straight, be in that same space of being unclutched. Be aware of all the movements of prana. Be aware of all incoming and outgoing of breath. Be aware of all the incoming and outgoing activities. Not only through nose; you will see the power flowing all over the body. When you inhale the whole body will feel the energy. When exhaling happens the whole body will feel drained.

Just be unclutched and be aware of body getting the prana and feeling rejuvenated and of the body feeling drained of outgoing prana. With incoming breath you will feel the energy. With the outgoing breath you will feel the relaxation. Just be witness for everything, and be unclutched. Just sit unclutched. Relax.

Now we will spend a little time discussing in detail or answering some more questions. Now you can share some problem that you can think you can solve with this truth of being unclutched, or you can raise some problem that needs some solution. We will try to analyze.

Next thing, I need to create the confidence that you can open up; that you can spell out your problems and you will have only solutions and not have undesirable side effects. If that trust can be created then really you will feel comfortable and you will be able to open up. You can then have the truth straight.

Even now I am still speaking only in a generalized way. I think in the second session I told you that I can speak only in a generalized way. Only if you open up I can throw light to the specific problem. Customized enlightenment can then be given only if I have the exact problems. Only then it is possible.

See, by nature, Indians talk about others, and they are very happy to talk about others. In America you have a communication network of a different nature and this is another kind of network in India. The communication happens but without the professional or commercial network.

Here you have the nature and network both, then what would happen? So, everybody is afraid to open up. See, with Americans they don’t bother about talking about others. They don’t care. They just bother about their business. With westerners that is their attitude. With Indians, you always try to talk about others. It is so tasty to talk about others. ‘I heard he ran away with somebody…. She ran away, I thought she would do that, I was waiting to get that news.’

Just those few words, it is so tasty, and you always feel, and you are waiting for some news. So you can blow it up and spread it wide. And in India, by nature people have got that habit. Second thing the communication network is also available. So that is the reason, everybody is afraid to open up. And unless you have that confidence, neither you will be helped nor others will be helped.

Q: Swamiji, I do not even care for the identity I have; the emptiness or aloneness I felt was enough.

A: That's nice.

Q: Be blissful, be unclutched are they the same?

A: Yes. They are one and the same.

Q: Please tell me when a more generalized theme arises in a more camouflaged form showing up as the same shaft. For example fear of rejection.

A: Yes. See, when you try to unclutch yourself from one shaft another shaft will raise. You will be constantly playing with the shaft; that is true.

Q: Since the concept of time itself doesn't exist, what's the hurry?

A: You can wait, I have no problem. You see I am unclutched, I am quite happy. If you want you can listen to the truth and be unclutched; otherwise be happy, no problem, I will have one more program. I have no problem.

Being unclutched is no way related to attachment and detachment. Being unclutched means you will expand your space, the quality of your relationships will be much better. You will be unclutched from the ideas that you carry about them. You will have a lot more compassion, a lot more understanding, a lot more respect about them and for them.

Don't think detachment is unclutching. Detachment is what you experience when you feel disturbed and after a few days again you reach out your hand. That is just a play, when you feel you are disturbed, you take away your hands, again you slowly go there, again you take away your hand. That is no way connected to being unclutched. Unclutched is totally different.

_Q: I just wanted to share some of my experience of when we were just sitting. There_ _was such a profound sadness that I had during that experience, because I felt that I_ _really was letting go of the identity I have. That is such a big part of what we identify_ _ourselves with, and it is a very sad feeling to let it go._

A: Be very clear, the moment you decided to think you forgot about your identity, that's why you are able to speak. This very thought to hold the microphone and speak, that very moment, your identity is not there in that space. Unless you move that thought of identity, the thought to speak will not be there. It is not a big thing.

Somehow, because you got all these words in your being that if you lose your identity you will have pain, all these words you have created within you have created a shaft. That is the reason you are suffering or you think you are suffering. If you look into that profound sadness, when it is happening, if you look into it without words, it will be a profound silence. Because you don't know the wrong word for the right emotion!

Many times you start using the word pain for pleasure because you have never experienced pleasure in a deep way. Whatever happens in you, you always think it is a disturbance. It is very easy to use the wrong word because it is very easily available. The availability is more.

So be very clear, when it exactly it is happening, in that moment it will not be sadness. Just be unclutched, even if it is sadness, be unclutched. Sadness is what? It is your past sadness and you are connecting, that it is the same. That is why you are saying it is sadness. Relax from it, you will see it disappears.

I think it is time we should take the collective oath. Please sit straight, close your eyes. I hereby take the oath to myself that I will respect the privacy of others. I will not use this information to disrespect, exploit or judge, blackmail anybody based on any information that I hear in this class, in these two days. Not only you will maintain others trust but you will trust that others will maintain your privacy. Relax.

Now not only you respect others privacy, and trust others will respect your privacy. Both things should be done; then you will be able to open up a little bit, step by step.

_Q: Why are there problems of jealousy, Indians, or non Indians, why still these_ _problems?_

A: Because of this basic problem of creating your identity and developing the identity and trying to develop the identity.

Q: Is it your identity that makes you steal or commit murders?

A: Yes, naturally. You want to increase the length or breadth or volume of the identity that you are showing to the outer world. So, if you have vested interest in somebody dying you may expand that identity, meaning you may try to kill. By stealing if you feel you will expand the identity you will steal. That's all.

Q: But how can that be pleasurable?

A: See, for you it may not be pleasure, for them it is a pleasure. You can't understand; nothing can be done. I also can't understand; nothing can be done.

Q: In the outer world, if you are asked, who are you? You say your name. In the inner world , at the same time, can you answer I am unclutched?

A: Even if you answering, 'I am unclutched' it is not going to help. If you are experiencing you are unclutched then it is going to help. Otherwise you will make that word one more mantra. Like how these Vedantis have made this tatvamasi one more mantra. All these Vedantis, you can see the whole day they will be sitting and repeating tatvamasi 10 000 times. This is supposed to be experienced. I am unclutched should become an experience. Understand the truth and let it be experience. Not repeating of mantra.

Q: Surrendering to the guru or the divine, is it the same as being unclutched?

A: I can say just be unclutched, do not bother if it is the same as surrendering and all. Because the more words you create, the more complications.

Q: I usually seem to get upset with my loved ones, can I use unclutched to break this cycle?

A: yes then naturally you will not get upset. See all your so called loved ones are nothing but intimate enemies. That's the truth, so if you are unclutched, all these things will disappear.

Q: In the Gita when Krishna says worship me only...

A: You should understand, when Krishna says this, he doesn't mean that six feet Krishna with that peacock feather with all the girls around. Not that Krishna, let you be very clear, when He says worship me, you will reach me, He means the Parabrahma Krishna, the Cosmic form of the Lord and not the Vasudeva Krishna, the physical form of the son of Vasudeva.

Actually I had this problem once. I was invited by one of these Krishna devotees groups to their conference. I went there just to give them my respects. They started asking me, do you believe in Gita.

I said yes, I respect Gita; it is our scripture, that's the ultimate book.

They said, then why do you worship Shiva?

I asked them what is wrong, what has happened to you? Why should I not worship Shiva?

Then they started quoting the same thing as you asked here, you should worship Krishna. They quoted all these sloka and they said, Krishna says, only if you worship me you will achieve me. Then why are you worshiping Shiva?

Krishna means the Parabramha Krishna, the embodiment of the formless cosmic energy. The embodiment of Rama, Krishna, Shiva are all one and the same.

Then the started arguing, no, no, it is Vasudeva Krishna , it is not Parabramha Krishna, who you should worship. How do you know they are two different things?

I told them an important incident that happened after the Bhagavad Gita. After the war is over, after a few months, Krishna and Arjuna both are traveling together. Arjuna says, ‘Krishna, you told me so many beautiful things in the Gita, but it was in the battle field. I don’t remember anything now. Can you please repeat all of them once more? I’ll note them down’.

Krishna says, ‘Not only you, I too have forgotten because it was spoken in the high ecstasy of enlightenment’.

He says this very word; ‘it was spoken in the high ecstasy of enlightenment’, or Brahman consciousness. Then he says whatever I remember I will tell you, please note down. Whatever he repeated the second time, the little bit, whatever he can remember, is what is called Anu Gita.

When I quoted this incident to show that Krishna was the Parabrahma Krishna when He had the Gita dialogue with Arjuna, those guys started saying, ‘we thought you are a young swami but you are well read’. We shouldn’t compete with you, we shouldn’t have problems with you.

You see it is just a fanatic idea, Krishna with the peacock feather, and two or three ladies around, that is not the only Krishna. Krishna means the embodiment of the ultimate consciousness.

Q: How can a shaft obsessed mind free itself from shafts?

A: Understand your ideas about shafts is one more shaft.

Q: If I lose my identity, who is it that my wife is going to be relating to?

A: Be very clear, your wife will be relating with you only, don't worry. And don't bother about that. Your wife will be relating with you only, but you will be a real you. You will be much more sweet person; much sweeter person to relate with.

As of now if I ask her, she will tell me how horrible you are. When you are not around, if I ask her, she will tell me how horrible you are, at least if you are unclutched she will be able to relate with you properly.

Let you understand this one truth. Tonight, the whole night, just be unclutched; remember all your dreams are also nothing but shafts. All your deep sleep states also nothing but shafts. Tomorrow, the first moment when you wake up, remember you are unclutched and come back to the morning session.

I can give you a simple technique; if you just jump for 10 minutes you won't feel tired tomorrow morning. To go like this and sleep you won't feel tired tomorrow morning. Just jump for ten minutes. You will be alive, fresh, go back and lie down. You will feel the same freshness tomorrow morning when you get up from the bed. You can now take 10 minutes to jump.